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Why Seymour Has Suddenly Become A Big Worry
Before doing anything, please read THIS article.
What Seymour says in this article is gob smacking.
He is seemingly unaware of the grooming for tribal takeover which is going on everywhere and at every level in our country.
To say what he said he is also demonstrating jaw dropping ignorance with respect to the Treaty of Waitangi.
How so?
First, Maori are only one of the 160 cultures living in our country.
The Treaty of Waitangi established democracy in New Zealand. This means, categorically and without question, that all the people who live here are to be treated equally e.g. One person, one vote, all votes of equal value. One law for all. No group is to have special favours or handouts which elevate it over other groups. When this happens, apartheid and racism are in evidence.
So why are we not seeing monuments erected which celebrate the other cultures and their leaders who have contributed to the building of our country? E.g. The Chinese? The Dutch? The Asians? The South Africans? The British? The Philippino? Just to name a few. They, and others, have all made massive contributions.
Why are Maori singled out as something special? As a people group who must be elevated above all the other cultures in our country? Why? Why is what is going on here so wrong? Answer?
First, we are all just settlers here.
None of the 160 cultures living can be classed as is ‘indigenous’. The classic definition of indigenous is clear – indigenous people are people who have resided in a country from the very beginning.
Maori arrived here about 1250 AD so they don’t ‘fit’ the definition. The aborigines of Australia fit the definition because there is little evidence in all their history that they came from anywhere else. Note THIS article.
And even if Maori were indigenous (and they are not) the Treaty of Waitangi cancelled out any special indigenous status they perceive they have, since in the Treaty equality between all people living here was guaranteed. It was mandated. Period.
In Article three of the Treaty, Maori became British citizens, and in becoming this, they signed up to having equal status with all the other settlers.
Yet Seymour’s only objection to the erection of these poles is that they are expensive and a slap in the face of all Kiwis, many of whom are under pressure financially.
As such, he has missed the elephant in the room.
In saying what he said, like I said, he is also betraying his shocking ignorance of the Treaty and what it actually says.
Then comes the clanger “He was unsure why Te Kāhui Mōuri was installed this year and believed it was potentially a missed opportunity to align the installation with the 185th anniversary of the Treaty of Waitangi in 2025.”
OMG!! The 185th anniversary, unequivocally, and without exception, ought to celebrate the equality of all New Zealanders, not the erection of some Maori poles right outside our parliament!
Seymour should, unequivocally and forcefully, have objected to these poles being erected, for the reasons I have outlined in this blog, not for the reasons he actually gave i.e. they were expensive. Sheesh…honestly, it was hard to believe he said what he said. But clearly he said it. Worse still, Seymour gave the impression he was going along with it all, except for the price.
On this anniversary, if we want to be faithful to the original meaning and intent of the Treaty in Maori, Te Tiriti, all race based legislation must immediately be expunged from all our laws and statutes. Equality and democracy in every respect must be restored.
To do this would be to be true and faithful to the original meaning and intent of the Treaty signed at Waitangi on the 6th of February 1840 – the original Maori version.
We have already lost democracy in New Zealand a long time ago. It’s time to get it back.
We’ve already lost equality in New Zealand a long time ago too. It’s time to get it back as well. These two, democracy and equality, are two absolute pillars of the Treaty. Seymour, seemingly, has missed them both.
But there is a second reason why Seymour’s thinking and comments were ‘off’, betraying terrible Treaty ignorance.
The article says “Te Kāhui Mouri is a physical representation of the partnership between Te Ati Awa Taranaki Whānui and Parliament.”
Again, this highlights the great lie being propagated by so many Maori in leadership in our country.
What lie? That Maori and the Crown (i.e) the government are in partnership through the Treaty.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. There is no mention of partnership in the Treaty. None whatsoever.
Why did Seymour not pick up on this too?
You know the answer. The only conclusion we can reach is that he is history ignorant with respect to the Treaty. What other conclusion is there?
In Julian’s Co-Governance booklet booklet, he notes near the end, that it’s history ignorant politicians of all political parties since 1840 who have got us into the co-governance disaster.
Our country simply can’t afford to have any more history ignorant politicians in positions of power anymore. None.
National (Luxon) and Act (Seymour) and Peters (NZ First) must get with it quickly, become really savvy about Te Tiriti, the Treaty in Maori, about what it says and doesn’t say, about the final English draft (Littlewood) before they get into power at the next election, so that it becomes their compass for reform direction, or this co-governance bus will roll on, taking us all closer to the edge of the cliff.
And if the bus goes over, the crash will be unsurvivable.
This is an undeniable fact.
Summary? What various Maori say in this article is just spin. It’s propaganda. It’s grooming. It has no basis in the Treaty.
Luxon is already lost with respect to the Treaty. He’s woke. He supports co-governance and will keep it going for natural resources. He’s tried to hide this fact by saying things like “Oh, National is going to co-manage natural resources with Iwi, and this is different from co-governance”. Nonsense. They are exactly the same. Smoke and mirrors. What he has said is just pure spin. Luxon is learning these spin tricks from Ardern and Hipkins.
If Seymour turns out to be history ignorant, the bus we are all on will slow down with a change of government, but it’s still headed for the edge of the cliff.
All the election will do is swap one set of history ignorant politicians for another.
Don’t let this happen.
Keep getting Julian Batchelor’s booklet out everywhere to raise public awareness. Our window of opportunity is closing fast.
Join our public marches in Wellington, Auckland and Christchurch. To view details, click HERE
Our only hope is to put massive pressure on Luxon and Seymour and Winston Peters to become Treaty savvy before the election. Experts. Too much is at stake if they don’t.
Write to Seymour and all his candidates. Write to Luxon and all his MP’s. Write to Winston.
Implore them to come up to speed with the Treaty.
If they don’t, New Zealand will still be on track to becoming the Zimbabwe of the South Pacific.
Nothing could be more certain. It’s now or never.
Tell them to put in writing, in official policy statements regarding:
- What version of the Treaty they are referring to
- What final English draft they are referring to.
If they can’t / won’t give the detail, then don’t give them your vote. It’s the same for all political parties. Voters need to know who and what they are voting for. Period.
As you well know, talk is cheap, and politicians are good at spin. We want more than spin. We demand more than spin. We want detail, in writing. Offical policy statements. Nothing less. Generalities and vague statements will not be good enough for this election. It’s way too important.
In fact, this is the most important election since 1840.
New Immigrant Gives 'Downtrodden Maori' A Lashing
You can read his email below
Hi Julian,
Good on you for taking a stance and pushing back on all these persons who are either intent (or apathetic) on destroying true democracy in NZ.
We are all New Zealanders, born with the same democratic, social and economic rights and opportunities.
If certain individuals choose to discard these values in favour of laziness, illiteracy, non-education, drugs and alcohol, unemployment, gangs, crime, etc., then they should be held accountable for their life choices and the consequences thereof.
They should not be given any preferential treatment or consideration based upon a historical event that has been misinterpreted and applied toa society for which it was never intended. NZ has changed and moved on dramatically since 1840.
I came to NZ as an immigrant in 2003 with 2 teenage kids. I had $21000 cash, no other assets, no car, no job, no home….but I did have an education and a passion to succeed.
20 years later I retired. Kids grown up with partners, degrees and jobs.
I have only rented a home, now have over $250000 in Kiwisaver, a caravan and ute and am exploring this amazing, beautiful country I call home.
An education, correct attitude and a can-do approach is all that is needed.
Time for the “Maori downtrodden” to wake up and realize they hold their futures in their own hands.
Please feel free to publish this comment if it helps in any way.
“Clearly the mainstream media are trying to portray Stop Co-Governance as a fringe, extremist group with little support. However, I believe the great majority of New Zealanders do not want Maori given control of the country, which is what Co-Governance is trying to achieve. The protesters at the meetings are showing the rest of the country what Co-Governance looks like, and it not attractive.”
No vote for National or ACT means 3 more years of Labour.
I don’t think NZ wants that.
“If they can’t / won’t give the detail, then don’t give them your vote. It’s the same for all political parties. Voters need to know who and what they are voting for. Period.”
Note, Labour, NZF and Maori Party will not respond either. So in all fairness, email ALL Parties, not just Luxon and Seymour.
Steve Otto.
David Seymour is a slimy little weasel. A duplicitous conniving little prick that will say anything to get a vote. About the only thing he is consistent with is his refusal to ever work with Winston Peters which is yet another reason to vote NZ First. I’d like to see and hear more from Lizz Gunn as well.
How absolutely amazing that someone would call David Seymour a lying prick and then support Winston Peters – the biggest liar of them all and demonstratably so! Winston First – the man who gave us this Labour government and remember how many times Winston sat next to Jacinda in parliament and looked up at her with adoring eyes and laughed at her sick jokes?
ACT has at least got policies to meet the need for Real Change and the team to do it. what happened to Winston’s team?
THE FIVE DOCUMENTS THAT MADE NEW ZEALAND INTO A BRITISH COLONY, BUT ONLY ONE IS OUR TRUE FOUNDING DOCUMENT.
The One New Zealand Foundation Inc. is extremely concerned all the other groups are hiding our true Founding Documents and first Constitution from the people of New Zealand, but still asking for donations. This is allowing our democracy and economy to be destroyed by a document that had nothing to do with making New Zealand into a British Colony under one flag and one law, irrespective of race, colour creed.
The Treaty of Waitangi only played a very small part in New Zealand becoming a British Colony under one flag and one law, irrespective of race, colour or creed. In fact, it only made the tangata Maori British Subject with the same rights as the people of England. No more, no less, no Partnership, and definitely, no Co-governance.
The Treaty of Waitangi was only drafted by the Undersecretary for Colonies, James Stephens and was not issued by “Victoria by the Grace of God” under, “The Great Seal of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland” as the 1839 and 1840 Royal Charters/Letters Patent. In fact, Queen Victoria and/or the British Parliament had no idea of what it said until months after it had been signed and even then, had many different versions sent to them.
New Zealand becoming a British colony is made up of 5 documents all held in Archives around the world, except for New Zealand’s Archives where many vital documents have been removed such as Queen Victoria’s 1839 and 1840 Royal Charters/Letters Patent.
Our true Founding Documents and first Constitution.
The 5 documents are,
1. The letter to the King of England by 13 Ngapuhi Chiefs in 1831 asking the King to be their friend, guardian, and protector, not only from the French, but also from themselves.
2. British Resident James Busby’s unauthorised Declaration of Independence in 1835 that was a complete failure as he could only entice 39 chiefs to signed it before they were back fighting each other, and it was abandoned without one meeting taking place. In 1877 Chief Justice Sir James Prendergast ruled, “So far indeed as that instrument (The Treaty of Waitangi) purported to cede sovereignty it must be regarded as a ‘simple nullity’. No political body existed capable of making cession of sovereignty”. This ruling has never been over-ruled as it is based on an undeniable fact, the tangata Maori did not have sovereignty over New Zealand in 1840.
3. Queen Victoria’s 1939 Royal Charter/Letters Patent claimed sovereignty over New Zealand and place New Zealand under the dependency of New South Wales. If the tangata Maori had sovereignty over New Zealand, Britain could not have placed New Zealand under the dependency of New South Wales.
4. As the tangata Maori were not British Subjects, they would have been treated the same as the Australian Aborigines under New South Wales dependency. To protect the tangata Maori as promised by the King in 1831, they had to become British Subjects. The Treaty of Waitangi asked the tangata Maori chiefs to give up their government and in return, they become British Subjects with the same rights as the people of England. As the tangata Maori did not have a Head of State, Lt. Governor Hobson had to have each individual tangata Maori chiefs sign the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840. By April 1840, the Treaty of Waitangi had achieved its purpose and was filed away.
5. Once the Treaty of Waitangi was signed, New Zealand had to be separate from New South Wales and become a British Colony with laws to not only protect the British Subjects, but also the tangata Maori who were now British Subjects. Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter/Letters Patent dated 16 November 1840 separated New Zealand from New South Wales on 3 May 1841 and made New Zealand into a British Colony with a Governor and Constitution that set up New Zealand’s political, legal and justice systems under one flag and one law, irrespective of race colour or creed.
While there are five documents that made New Zealand into a British Colony, there is only one that comes anywhere near to a Founding Document and first Constitution and that is, Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter/Letters Patent dated 16 November 1840.
The people of New Zealand, who are giving very generous donations are not being given the true history of how New Zealand became a British Colony under one flag and one law, irrespective of race colour or creed.
Further information: http://www.onenzfoundation.co.nz.
Prepared by the One New Zealand Foundation Inc. Email: ONZF@bigpond.com.au.
Thank goodness for the One New Zealand Foundation who have done meticulous research, as have others, over many years. Why our true history is not taught is quite beyond me. We are allowing a ‘simple nullity’, as ruled by Chief Justice Prendergast in the mid 1880’s, to rule our total lives. A huge wrong is being perpetuated upon the people of this country by Politicians who are more interested in their own re-election chances than what’s good for the country. Certain sectors of our country are becoming very rich on the back of this great big lie. Our democracy seems to no longer be there. It’s long overdue for the simple nullity of a Treaty to be put back in its file and for everyone in this country to be treated equally as New Zealanders with nothing special given out based on race. Please, everyone, access the One New Zealand Foundation’s website and learn our true history before it’s too late. Time is fast running out for retrieving our democracy.
With regards Seymour and the Maori poles. Agreeing that he missed an opportunity to lambaste these as a symbol of attempted Maorification. However from other remarks that he’s repeatedly made re this country as a liberal democracy, very much more strongly than National, I would not read too much into this. The fact is that he’s a pretty shrewd politician that will sometimes compromise on some of the things that we might otherwise want him push back on harder. Also though I think we need to be careful about “multi culture”. Core culture here is and should undoubtedly be based on British/European, Judea-Christian values, with English (not American) language. As history has shown, there has to be a single dominant core culture in any nation for there to be harmony. Layered on top of that can be relatively superficial traditions of many different immigrant cultures that lend colour, including in our case Maori. Because of NZ history, Maori I think has a right to be somewhat more prevalent then say Indian or Chinese as providing a superficial cultural flavour (despite that personally I am nowadays somewhat turned off things Maori by the Government CRT indoctrination campaign and the ongoing Treaty rort, but that shouldn’t detract from the principle), which in no way should detract from everybody being equal before the law as NZ citizens.